The earliest information comes from Mr. Eric Dobinson, a member in the 1930’s He believes that his father could have been the founding leader of the group at the request of the church, of which the family were members.  Mr. Dobinson thinks the troop neckerchief was black with a red border. In 1947, Mr. Ivor Dobinson was still the Scoutmaster and Mr,Albert Jarvis had continued to serve as Assistant Scoutmaster. 

A latter piece of information has been sent by Mr. Peter Smith of Capel Curig. It is in the form of a Warrant appointing Mr. Smiths father, Mr. Maurice Humphrey  Smith as Scoutmaster 14th December 1934, an appointment that ended on the 30th October 1936. 

“I remember my father, Ivor Owen Dobinson, ran the  4th LLANDUDNO TROOP of scouts and cubs during the 1930’s. Others helped him, but I do not remember who they were. When the Civil Service came to Llandudno during the war, a Scouter from London took over the Scouts – his name was ATWELL – and a lady Akela looked after the cubs. My father negotiated with the Mostyn Estates to rent, for a peppercorn rent, the old quarry up the Nant-y-gamar Road. We put up a wooden garage, and covered it with pine bark strips, to make it look like a log cabin! Weekly meetings were held there during the summer, and in St. David’s, Craig-y-don at other times. 

There was a permanent campsite at Rowen for the whole of the local district. It had a large wooden building where tentage, tools, pots, pans, rope ladders and anything else needed to run camps were stored. This large building was very useful during days of inclement weather. There were cooking areas, washing and latrine areas, and a campfire area. I remember attending a large jamboree at Gwrych Castle near Abergele -1 st  Welsh Jamboree 1948 I don’t know when, but I think it was a UK and not a world jamboree. My younger brother, Roy, attended a World Jamboree in (Paris, in 1946?)”   6th World Jamboree. Moisson, Fance 1947 

  “I have still got some scout badges of that period somewhere!!” 

A second letter from Mr. E. Roberts adds a little more information.

In 193O/31 it was decided to form a new scout Group, meeting at St. David’s Church schoolroom in Craig – y – Don. Llandudno. I attended the first meeting when the 4th Llandudno Troop and Wolf Cub Pack were formed. We wore khaki shirts, shorts and stockings. Neckerchiefs were black with a maroon border. We had two patrols, the Swifts and Eagle. The former had dark blue shoulder tapes, the latter, green and white. We wore a red dragon beneath the name tag “4th Llandudno” at the top of each arm. The Scout Badge was worn on the left breast-pocket. A Second was denoted by a single white tape on the left of the badge, patrol leader, a white tape each side of the badge, troop leader had a. third tape running behind the badge. A silver metal star with a green cloth background was awarded for each year of service but later replaced by a single star with a number in the centre showing how many years served. This was worn above the left breast pocket. We had those huge scout hats, Patrol leaders bearing a silver metal badge on it. We had the essential scout pole with measured markings, 

I enjoyed my time in the movement. My grandson, living in Wiltshire, has progressed from the Cub Scouts and is now a Venture Scout, which was a Rover Scout in my day. 

It would be nice to be able to supply more information but it’s a very long time ago. I am now 76.